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 +===vegetable/vegetal mind===
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 highly unstructured notes, from meeting between foam + (ToT) on 28-V-2008 highly unstructured notes, from meeting between foam + (ToT) on 28-V-2008
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-vegetable/vegetal mind 
  
-- making sure that people do not think they are a gardener but they are the plant. +  * making sure that people do not think they are a gardener but they are the plant. 
-- what of the roots...+  * what of the roots...
 above you may be far away but below ground roots can touch. how deep do they go and what does it mean. communication? above you may be far away but below ground roots can touch. how deep do they go and what does it mean. communication?
-- expression through reproduciton +  * expression through reproduciton 
-- breeding through insects. +  * breeding through insects. 
--- hemaphrodite ferns. "haremification" +  * hemaphrodite ferns. "haremification" 
  
-- synthetic nature. +  * synthetic nature. 
-mixtures of ornaments and realistic plant nature. +    * mixtures of ornaments and realistic plant nature. 
--- algorithmic plants. +    * algorithmic plants. 
--- representing  +    * representing  
-synthetic mathematical +  human made ornamental +    * synthetic mathematical &  human made ornamental 
-MODERNIST INVASION!!! +    * MODERNIST INVASION!!! 
---- landscaped garden vs. wildflowers. +  * landscaped garden vs. wildflowers. 
------the desire for not knowing where its going to lead. +    * the desire for not knowing where its going to lead. 
---players designing potential plants? -michael's against it an thinks it should happen through hybrids. +  * players designing potential plants? -michael's against it an thinks it should happen through hybrids. 
----------- find a middle gorund between TEF and SecondLife. where people can contribute into the system.+    * find a middle gorund between TEF and SecondLife. where people can contribute into the system, yet retains aesthetic cohesion.
  
-- plant time/human time+  * plant time/human time
  
-- a common sturcture on MMoG +  * a common sturcture on MMoG 
--- resource managment +    * resource managment 
--- need of fertilization through bees and butterflies (eggs turn in to larvae which eat the leaves) but you can fly with them +    * need of fertilization through bees and butterflies (eggs turn in to larvae which eat the leaves) but you can fly with them 
--------- caterpillars can eat away things that are useless or are eating too much bandwidth. +  * caterpillars can eat away things that are useless or are eating too much bandwidth. 
--- alowing non-gardeners to view the garden. +  * alowing non-gardeners to view the garden. 
-- the issue of work. +  * the issue of work. 
  
-- augmented gardens. - interface between real and virtual gardens. +  * augmented gardens.    
-- PLANTS AND HUMANS PLAY THE GAME TOGETHER! +    * interface between real and virtual gardens. 
-allow sensor kit so people can let their plants play along too! +    * PLANTS AND HUMANS PLAY THE GAME TOGETHER! 
---- (there is some plant hooked up to twitter which notifies the stream when it needs water.) +    * allow sensor kit so people can let their plants play along too! 
--- what other organisms can plants play (are the plants NPCs?)+    * (there is some plant hooked up to twitter which notifies the stream when it needs water.) 
 +    * what other organisms can plants play (are the plants NPCs?)
  
-the definition of GUILD +the definition of GUILD - nitrogen! - work together to find a perfect dynamic balance.  
--- nitrogen! - work together to find a perfect dynamic balance.  +  * "ecotopes" 
--"ecotopes" +  * encouraging diversity. 
---encouraging diversity. +  * as you reproduce you can move between all your decendents. shifting your point of view.
--as you reproduce you can move between all your decendents. shifting your point of view.+
  
-are the gardeners the designers? +  * are the gardeners the designers? 
-accept the fate of nature! +  * accept the fate of nature! 
-plants which start real but become more and more mythological +  * plants which start real but become more and more mythological 
-"the history of plants"+  * "the history of plants"
  
 CHEMICALS CHEMICALS
-- the place of pheremones + hormones. +  * the place of pheremones + hormones. 
-- a system where in time you get certain colors of flowers. +  * a system where in time you get certain colors of flowers. 
-- time based resource availability. reflecting the seasons in gameplay through periodic availability.  it s own time. artificial seasons. the important bit is that its recognizable. recognizibly spring, save up for spring.+  * time based resource availability. reflecting the seasons in gameplay through periodic availability.  it s own time. artificial seasons. the important bit is that its recognizable. recognizibly spring, save up for spring. 
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 +TREES, muliple players necessary to play a tree character. 
 +  * working together to make a nice symmetrical tree. massive trees created through many people playing together! 
  
--TREES, muliple players necessary to play a tree character. 
-working together to make a nice symmetrical tree. massive trees created through many people playing together!  
 EPIPHYTES -plants that grow on trees (misteltoe :)) EPIPHYTES -plants that grow on trees (misteltoe :))
---- donation of computational resources.+  * donation of computational resources.
  
 WEATHER PATTERNS WEATHER PATTERNS
--global differences +  * global differences 
-tropics at the edges, for example.+  * tropics at the edges, for example.
  
-learn the way that mushrooms spread. "the fruiting body"  +learn the way that mushrooms spread. "the fruiting body", "a big juicy pear falling on the ground"
-"a big juicy pear falling on the ground"+
  
 Belgian Brotherhood of Gardeners <- find out about this. Belgian Brotherhood of Gardeners <- find out about this.
 field trip! to Flora.... she makes a garden of edible wild plants. field trip! to Flora.... she makes a garden of edible wild plants.
  
-3 chemicals -> plant biology page á lyberinth photosynthesis. +  * 3 chemicals -> plant biology page á libyrinth photosynthesis. 
-need to learn more about how plants work. how hybrids are made. +  * need to learn more about how plants work. how hybrids are made. 
-check category gardens on the lyberinth. plant morphology. invite a botanist. David Attenborough "the private life of plants" +  * check category gardens on the lyberinth. plant morphology. invite a botanist. David Attenborough "the private life of plants" 
-european gardens, indian gardens. +  * european gardens, indian gardens. 
-ethno botany +  * ethno botany 
-pata-botany +  * pata-botany 
-plant based ornament research --> louvre?+  * plant based ornament research --> louvre? 
 emphasis on the vegetable mind. emphasis on the vegetable mind.
  
-* possible interfaces + possible interfaces 
-maybe yu can plant with your cell phone or must send and email to the plant every day. +  * maybe yu can plant with your cell phone or must send and email to the plant every day. 
--tamogotchi. what is this sentience that reports the weather? an oracle. the vegetable mind of the whole place. +  * tamogotchi. what is this sentience that reports the weather? an oracle. the vegetable mind of the whole place. 
---- what kind of tree was that in indiana that turns its leaves upside down when its about to rain? +  * what kind of tree was that in indiana that turns its leaves upside down when its about to rain? 
---THE ARG + 
-can people go visit a plant that is playing as part of the game? +THE ARG 
--a story which connects the online game and other events -a LARP :D (larp vs. arg -> these are antagonistic to each other. why?) part of the ARG situated within the garden.+  * can people go visit a plant that is playing as part of the game? 
 +  * a story which connects the online game and other events -a LARP :D (larp vs. arg -> these are antagonistic to each other. why?) part of the ARG situated within the garden.
  
-ECONOMY- Encourage voluntary payment. +ECONOMY   
-find someone rich to be sponsor of the garden. +  * Encourage voluntary payment. 
--sell sensor kits and seeds +  * find people to sponsor the garden. 
-- all software open source but maybe you can subscribe to a service. phone the garden to hear the weather. +  * sell sensor kits and seeds 
-- a picture or moo cards of the plant that you made. flipbooks!!+  * all software open source but maybe you can subscribe to a service. phone the garden to hear the weather. 
 +  * a picture or moo cards of the plant that you made. flipbooks!!
  
-- the sustainability of the garden we are making. open source and easy migration of servers.+  * the sustainability of the garden we are making. open source and easy migration of servers.
  
 "intergarden communication protocol" - IGCP (^_^) "intergarden communication protocol" - IGCP (^_^)
-servers as roots?? +  * servers as roots?? 
-each client can be a incubator. +  * each client can be a incubator. 
-seeds blow into your cellphone. your local computer can catch seeds that grow in offline mode. +  * seeds blow into your cellphone. your local computer can catch seeds that grow in offline mode. 
-viral spreading---but not viral +  * viral spreading---but not viral 
  
 AS A PLANT HOW DO YOU EXPERIENCE BEING IN THIS WORLD? AS A PLANT HOW DO YOU EXPERIENCE BEING IN THIS WORLD?
-the 3d representation. +  * the 3d representation. 
--various ways of viewing the data. +  * various ways of viewing the data. 
-you MUST be in the vegetal mind in order to play, ALWAYS- +  * you MUST be in the vegetal mind in order to play, ALWAYS 
-stylized representation of plant visualization.+  * stylized representation of plant visualization.
  
-visual display of hormone levels - things are clearer depending on which way the wind blows.+visual display of hormone levels  - things are clearer depending on which way the wind blows.
  
 LETTING GO OF THE 'I' LETTING GO OF THE 'I'
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 playing a plant you only see a small part of the garden. through growing and reproducing you see more of the garden space. playing a plant you only see a small part of the garden. through growing and reproducing you see more of the garden space.
  
--maja is excited for the growing gothic ornaments.+maja is excited for the growing gothic ornaments.
  
 WHAT HAPPENS AT NIGHT? WHAT HAPPENS AT NIGHT?
-plants behave differently at night. +  * plants behave differently at night. 
-consciousness is only in the roots irridescene +  * consciousness is only in the roots irridescene 
-dawn and dusk societies can emerge --> watch "Microcosmos"+  * dawn and dusk societies can emerge --> watch "Microcosmos"
  
 -deadline of sorts --december 2009. -deadline of sorts --december 2009.
  
-7-11 july is another groworld design week,.+[[project groworld]]
  
  

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